Race Threads 2018

Discussion in 'Race Information' started by Simon Christmann, Dec 9, 2017.

6h Road Atlanta - 20.01.2018
Posted By Simon Christmann

Braselton, Georgia,
Braselton, GA, USA
Saturday, January 20, 2018 - 01:00 PM
(ends Saturday, January 20, 2018 - 08:00 PM)
Timezone: Europe/Amsterdam

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  1. Matt Horst

    Matt Horst Member

    First and most importantly i want to thank the the organizers and race stewards for a really fun racing experience.That was the busiest race i have ever done,traffic everywhere all the time it was so much fun.

    As for the driving i saw a lot of gt's showing a lot of patience with the touring cars,witch was supersizing and nice.I had no contact with any car except maybe traded a little paint with one or two touring cars.The one big crash i had that basically ruined our chance for a podium turned out to be a touring car lagging/warping very badly.I had originally thought it was a gt car that hit me.It did seem like there was some kind of crash on every lap,i guess i was lucky this time to stay out of them all.Looking forward to the next race.:)
     
  2. Matthew Overton

    Matthew Overton New Member

    So, in addition to being thankful for some of the driving out there when I was a big target, I'd like to also thank the P1 organisers for a GREAT race. 50 cars on the track is an enormous amount of work and they added to their load with running live stewards as well as streaming. The reaction to issues during the race was very quick and they worked effectively and fairly in the background on race and admin issues.

    Our #62 car came into the race with the expectation that the biggest challenge would be managing traffic coming up from behind and that was the reality on race day. Many drivers were patient, especially in the esses as well as the two right handers before the back straight, but there were a number who were less so. Fortunately for us, most of our issues were self-generated, with, usually, little effect on others. A notable exception for me was a GT stopped cold just on the crest before the descent to the s/f; he moved a little as I was making my choice left/right and it ended with us both losing bodywork. It was a bad situation for them to be in - and I'm sorry that it ended badly for us both.

    It was in all other ways a fun race - I think a real advance over some of the others we have raced (and that progress due to the P1 team and their hard work) and I'm looking forward to the next track.
     
  3. Shawn Jacobs

    Shawn Jacobs Active Member

    @Simon Christmann just a heads up, the latest patch that came out for the Ferrari seemed to cause some issues with the in car dash, gear display is now really small and its not possible to make out speed at all.

    Cheers.
     
  4. Jon Uyan

    Jon Uyan Well-Known Member

    Yes, it was eventful and yes it was big! Very happy with how the event itself went and was definitely successful comparing it to other leagues and sim racing standards. Myself and my team SHQM really appreciate the hard work Ricardo and Simon put in literally for months, and Markus and his broadcast team come race day. We are proud to be partners with P1 Gaming like Rennsimulanten and continue to support them in the future.

    As expected there were incidents that a 50-car field would bring forth and challenge drivers and stewards. A big positive is that most drivers drove a good heads up race all 6 hours long. There were many incidents and some may think it was too many and therefore this series does not have quality drivers/teams. Truth is it is not an easy task to establish a good sim racing standard and have all the perfect drivers/teams. There is no such thing, in any league. There will always be newcomers, new teams that have no endurance experience or there will be aggressive drivers vs normal drivers vs gentleman drivers. Very hard to keep the balance, hard to come up with common sense rules and regulations. Race control was very efficient in overseeing the incidents and handing out penalties during the race. This is very important in curbing down some of the potential aggressive or senseless driving. And it will build a stronger relationship between teams and organization when there is an understanding how the rules/penalties are applied, either on-the-fly or as after-race time penalty. This will help building and raising the race quality and standard.

    And I have to add it is sad to see some accusations and blaming from drivers towards admins, their ruling and other drivers right after the race. If you are so good and have such high expectations -to a point threatening to not come back- I would like to see you organize a similar race and show us how it's done! But until then have some common sense and appreciate the hard work P1 staff is offering to you at no charge, at least say a thank you, instead of listing all the misery others gave you.

    @Admins: Will there be a list of penalties issued during the race? This may prevent extra IRRs being submitted and also we can see if there is an additional protest necessary for any incident, if the receiving end team thinks the penalty was not strong enough.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2018
  5. Thomas Lenz

    Thomas Lenz Member

    That yellow Ferrari was me. :D The problem was that there were neither yellow flags nor smoke or dust which would have signalized it. I was following a TRC closely through T5 and he took my sight of your car so I saw you in the really last moment and that view was really terrifying. In the end I actually avoided you but lost control of my car and steered into the wall which gave me suspension damage. In my mirror I could see you getting collected by the Ferrari following me which resulted in a carnage with five cars iirc.

    Beside the fact that there were no yellow flags for a stationary/slowly moving car facing against the direction there is nobody to blame. Those things simply happen. No hard feelings.

    After I watched the replay I was wondering why there was no FCY afterwards since the Ferrari and you were limping back to the pits. I would have welcomed that FCY pretty much to repair my damage. :)
     
  6. Michael Roellin

    Michael Roellin Active Member

    It may be that the Touring Car you were following was me. I had such a situation with me reacting a bit late to a stationary car after T5 because of missing yellow flags and was praying that people behind me see him in time. After a quick check of my mirrors after passing him I realized that not everyone could react in time so beside the little game error I have to take blame for this situation due to my slow reaction time in that incident and I'm sorry for it if it really was me :/
     
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  7. Simon Christmann

    Simon Christmann Administrator Staff Member P1 gaming e.V.

    Admin Post
    Ok. I will take a look into this for the next one.
     
  8. Shawn Jacobs

    Shawn Jacobs Active Member

    Briefing - don't overtake in the red zone

    Shawn - But there's so much space he's gone out wide... it will be all good..

     
  9. Adam Karkuszewski

    Adam Karkuszewski Active Member

    Ok, so now its my turn to make some comments.
    Sit back, its gonna be a long one ;)

    First of all, big THANK YOU for the P1-gaming and P1-media for this event to take place. We had a bit rough start with the BoP debate etc. but it can only be better now ;)

    I had a doubts about 50 cars on the grid with 100 drivers, with the swap of drivers and if the server will hold on ... My God it did. Bravo.

    Another one in line for congratulations are our closest competitors in Porsche #911, in sole Camaro, FTF Ferraris and Spedmite Ferrari's, that at some point did not want to play 100% ... fair ;)

    Our race.
    Grzegorz Bulat (Greg) as planed took qualy and first long 3hour stint. I was his spotter for this part of adventure. The plan was to keep up with the top guys and be in TOP6 in the middle of the race. In fact we end up on the top in the middle of race after Camaro had some swap-driver issiues. Bad luck guys. We hope that in next event we will be able to fight from start to finish :)
    Grzegorz had some hairy moments (as everyone) but was good in avoiding them with no any damage on the car. The only REAL problem was the "base drag" of the Z4. As Ferraris or Porsches where able to drive with great speed over lapped cars from GT3 class, we where stuck on straights like a brick. That caused multiply anger over blue flags showed in the esses and tight parts of track and then lapped cars drove away from us on straight. Just like that...

    Before the 3hour mark, Sebastian catched us and passed in draft on round-down to chicane. Two laps later we made decision to swap, even that Grzegorz could stay a bit longer on track. Swap was good and I drove out few seconds behind Tulchner that changed with Pfeiffer. That was also a strategy decission to make earlier pit, that I will faster go into the rythm and find mysellf in this "controled chaos" of instant traffic-jam, lap after lap :)
    It worked and I reduced the gap very quickly. Then the "double drive through" happend ;) Shit happens.

    But to be honest, Tulchner CRASHED A.Lopez #14 into the wall, so in the end he made significant damage to the TCR with his manouver.
    My situation was, that I was convinced that BMW of SimHQ gives me room on inside and I only give him small tap to make "half spin" with no damage consuqences. But we both , me and #911 only got drive through. I get it, in both cases it was "unsafe pass on TCR" , but the EXTRA outcome of this both incidents was different.
    #911 sends #14 into the wall to crash him, so the penalty is not fair in those two cases.
    Also when Sebastian took again the wheel he passed in the same place OUTSIDE the track making 4wide into the chicane. Then the Porsche that was laped down "paniked" a bit and crashed heavy into blue Chevy Cruze.



    It was with exact 35 minutes before finish and on YT coverage. #911 didnt get any penalty by creating dangerous situation and overtaing/laping OUTSIDE the limit of the track. Seriously ?
    I will not make any protests now but ... it was not a fault of white-blue Porsche that cliped the Cruze. The #911 was on very inside of his line and he was afraid that he will be collected so he wanted to make room for the Sebatian. Sebastian wanted to "win" to much at one bite at this place ... laping 4 cars at one time.

    Look:
    https://s13.postimg.org/odkcmn9mf/situation.jpg[​IMG]

    Anyway, our strategy was spot on, the fuel was counted almost spot on. We are very happy to raced with You and as I said, this potential that is here should stay as it is. This can be a "VLN" style league, compare to VEC = real WEC style league. Very profi etc.

    Also about that what commentators where talking about during the race. The split 30/20 or even 25/25 should take place. It should be kind of "privilage" to race GT3 car, its not a "muss". If You dont have the skill, respect for slower cars - dont do it.

    Once again thank You for the great Saturday and see You on the next event (even if that will be Silverstone), we will be there.

    Big bravo also for everyone that finished the race, cause the result of the cars on finish line is AMAZING. I fought that we will end up with ... 20 or 30 cars on finish, but finish line saw 40 out of 50 maschines. Great result.

    https://s13.postimg.org/hs7mn8h0n/GRAB_009.jpg

    https://s13.postimg.org/4bao4dm4n/GRAB_011.jpg

    https://s13.postimg.org/5dkumxs3b/GRAB_014.jpg
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  10. Shawn Jacobs

    Shawn Jacobs Active Member

    :D Yes I was a bloody pain I know lol sorry about that.

    I wish I was battling with you instead of been a lap down, and with our alternate pits I would get some reprieve from trying to break away from the blue flag zone (which I succeeded to do a few time only to find traffic and have your car right behind me once again). Then it would seem every time our pit rotation ended, there was that BMW right there with me again lol It was a tough scenario everytime I did let you through I was able to keep up but for some reason following your car was causing stutters in VR for me o_O so a couple of times I did go back through just to stop the not so pleasant effect it had on me :D and I was trying so hard to get back towards the front.

    Well done to the both of you, and next time I hope our on track time is for position! It was a good time sharing the track with you guys.
     
  11. Adam Karkuszewski

    Adam Karkuszewski Active Member

    Shawn I get it, You hade more cars, so You where able to "play games" on track. I totaly get it, so is Grzegorz, but when it goes on and on , lap after lap and we feel that You are blocking us for real, then we had to go to stewards for this. I know that You where "helping" the other Ferrari. That is ok, but not in such early fase of ther race.

    Look at us, after my first stint, I messed up the entry to pit lane and got extra drive through for speeding in pit lane. So I made full pitstop and next lap the penalty. That pushed me right in front of Sebastian ... I was about to be laped down, and eventualy I was.
    I wasnt making hard time for him by blocking, thats just how it is. Blue flag = move over.

    We hope that next race, more teams will "focus" on endurance aspect and keeping the good pace on long period of stint and not only hot laping on fresh tires and then the pace was out through window ;)

    If we would have Ferrari or Camaro, we would say "bye bye" from the start to the rest of the field, and we would have zero problems with laped cars on straights to catch them and overtake.
     
  12. Shawn Jacobs

    Shawn Jacobs Active Member

    actually nah edit, there's been enough banter to fill a truck. :D

    I'll stop with the back and forth, you guys had a great win, enjoy it :D

    Your comments get me riled up too easy :p
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2018
  13. Mike Pitschmann

    Mike Pitschmann New Member

    First of all, the 3 World Series Racing drivers Tony Barker, Ryan Elliott and me wanna say thanks you to all that took part in this race and make it possible to join such a great event! Well organized, perfect live stewards, just a pleasure to be part of it!

    After 4 good hours with some driver changes the last 2 hours went to be not good for us, Tony with a spin and hit a wall, repair 3 min, and then I took the car for the final stint... 2 times hit and hardly damaged with GTs it was hard work and a race against the time to take third in class back in the last lap... Was a long good fight for second in class with the 2 drivers of Rennsimulanten, maybe closer next time, really looking forward to it.

    Overall still many things weve learned, first time we did an endurance race with our comunity drivers (normally do Britisch Virtual Touring Car Championship with 20 min sprint races), many of our members of WSR followed the live stream and even more said they will join us for the next race... Hopefully around with 3 or more cars, GT and Tourings.

    Cant wait for the next race, cya all soon :)
     
  14. First of all, also a huge thanks from me to the organisation. It was a great race considering it was 50 cars on a tiny track. Good race control and a good stream as usual.

    I had a great time in SHQM #66. Started 10th, which was a little disappointing at first, but I managed to stay out of serious trouble. After a great 4 car fight for 4th to 7th, we ended up 4th after the pit rotation and some bad luck for others. From there it was trying to stay out of trouble and dealing with traffic.
    Towards the end we were looking at a potential 3rd place but unfortunately bad luck had to strike us too in the final moments of the race, and we ended 5th. But it's a 5th that we enjoyed a lot :)

    Now on too the P1ST championship, and for those that do not drive there, see you at the next endurance event ;)
     
  15. James Andrew

    James Andrew Member

    Wow man, that's... desperate. Clearly going off-track to make a pass. Clearly on a piece of tarmac he knows will disappear. Clearly aware that three-wide is imminent. Doesn't ease off but decides to break the rules and be reckless.

    If it had all gone cleanly he'd at least have to give places back or more likely serve a penalty for illegal (off-track) overtake. Blue/white Porsche should not have moved at all, but that's not how you think sometimes when a car does something stupid next to you! Cruze is not being max helpful, but neither is he being naughty. And you can't blame the Cruze for Sebastian's decision to go off-track rather than wait.
     
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  16. James Andrew

    James Andrew Member

    I'm sure that the reason for no yellow flags was because rF2 shows you a yellow if there is a problem anywhere in your current sector (even behind you). I was just into sector 2, so you would not have had a flag displayed until 50m before you hit me!

    Watching the replay, it seemed like there was plenty of time to think and steer myself off the track before people arrived, but actually I was still processing what had just happened and where I actually was!
     
  17. Thomas Lenz

    Thomas Lenz Member

    Yeah the yellow flags showing only in the full sector you're in is really not helpful and misleading. When I watched my perspective in the replay I also thought I could have moved earlier but in real time everything goes so fast with no time to think about it.
     
  18. Mike Pitschmann

    Mike Pitschmann New Member

    Just can tell how I (was the driver of the blue Cruze) have seen this situation:
    Started on the long straight I saw the GTs in my mirror, catching but still not alongside me, so I started my move to lap the red Ford Focus, cause I had to race for P2 in our class against the Rennsimulanten Team. I already finished my move by half of the straight and let enough room for the coming GTs on the inside. At the point where you have to do the little right move for the last chicane the Porsche inside of me couldnt do the same move cause there was another (for me not visible) Porsche overtaking on the gras. Even its lapping, in my eyes he hasnt to search there anything, and the end is well known. This, sorry in my eyes, stupid move was the reason for a more then 3 minute pitstop, and the reason why we couldnt fight for P2.

    I understand that the GTs of course do their race for positions and the win, but maybe some GTs should respect the tourings too that are trying to win the race in their class. I had some really late brakers of GTs that have tried to brake into me, the tourings are much faster into corners and middle, so why they are, sorry, so stupid that they try it before a corner, just waiting after is much easier...
     
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  19. Jon Uyan

    Jon Uyan Well-Known Member

    About my race (not an attractive picture but here it goes):

    Coming to this race a bit unprepared in the "qualifying setup" department, the qualy session started horribly bad. Sitting in the back of the grid after few attempts, had to try few new things and use couple of tips teammate Blazo (Blazej) was giving me over TS. My fourth run improved us to P26. Then I tried additional adjustments of my own and started a 3-lap run as session clock was winding down. First flying lap was no good due to traffic, second flying lap started with a fast first sector; .5 sec up, in sector 2 I saw .7 sec up and I had almost no traffic in front for the rest of the corners. End of back straight, left-right and under the bridge, on my hud's delta lap time I could see I was up .9 sec and some change and it was a good improvement, coming down the hill checkered flag came out, I took the last corner pretty good and crossed S/F line hoping to see at least a good mid-pack position but my time did not count! Noooooo, why? Was very disappointed with P26, (I think!)

    Or not!. Because race start was a bit chaotic in mid pack actually. I saw cars spinning everywhere, first at T1 exit then going to T2 more cars spun right and left. After T2 I was in P16 already. Ok P17, I had to give way to an anxious Z4 thru T3-4. This was a storm before the calm already and hoping it was now passed, I needed to settle to a good pace with the big Bentley.

    Which proved to be quite the challenge, as the Bentley was having cramps thru all sectors' twisty bits but the straights were fine, even though I was not running low DF!. Bentley did not suit this track, it was more obvious in the race. We could have had a chance to get in top 10 maybe if everything was ok and we could keep the consistency but it was not meant to be. Various problems, some penalties, lag issues, delays on driver swaps etc. kept us fluctuating all race long between P15 and P20.

    Teammate Blazo had the worst luck when he ended up behind the wall across pits after a lag spike and colliding with another car. Had to find a way around, got back on track, nurse the car around full lap and spent time in pits for repairs. I am surprised we finished in P20 actually, could've been much worse.

    Overall our team did ok. With 5 entries and 10 drivers we occupied 10% of the field, got pole position thanks to Jordy's brilliant drive, led the race with a ~50 sec margin until AI bug bit us. All the cars except the #64 Camaro finished the race, which was our No.1 goal. Overall we are -as a team- very happy with the success of this race, server was rock solid, most of the cars finished, very low attrition rate, 26 teams, 50 entries, 188 drivers. Very happy to be part of it.
     
  20. Adam Karkuszewski

    Adam Karkuszewski Active Member

    You didnt had advantage of 50 seconds. Maybe 50 seconds over us (#657 and #911) but at that time there was still Speedmite Ferrari ~15 sec behind You. Also from what i see, Your Camaro was not so super efficient with fuel. You would have to make 1 stop more then #657 and #911.

    Also one more important question. WHY two cars are MISSING from the race results ?!?
    One of them is Camaro.
    I want to see real useage of tires and fuel, as everyone can se ours.
     
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