I don't say anything to the start of the Race was it a drive trough or not the racestewards had a look into it and not only pictures and decieded to give a DT. But a pole on doublefile with a green command from the racestewards is no pole at all. Pit limiter starting and a green or polesetter's aclaration gives the start that would be good.

 

No, it's the same situation.
At NOS I acclerated from 80 kph up to 85 kph over 100-150 meters. So at race start I was around 5 kph faster cause I guess you guys stayed in pit limiter.
In the pictures Riccardo posted you have 6 kph more than Benjamin, which is an advantage. The only difference is that I was 1st and Riccardo was 2nd at that moment.
But I agree with the rest of Riccardos posting.

Offtopic to my NOS incident:

At that time there was NO rule in the reglement about the whole staring procedure. Not even a sub item like "Race start" like you can see here: NOS Rules | P1-Gaming e.V. . When I’m doing such stuff I first read the reglement checking, if it’s allowed or not.

 

About the start procedure - i just wana throw my hat into the ring. I would just define 2 Lines on the start/finish straight, between which the leader can choose when to go. An starting corridor so to speak. He can control the speed as he wishes up to that point inside a given "speed window" ( say between 100 and 150) but can not accelerate ore brake irregular during that. Once he accelerates with full(ore close to) throttle, it´s go time. It´s also green flag if he passes over the second line marking the end of the starting corridor.

To the race itself. We had just such a day again. A bid of carnage in front of us in the first corner, 5 min repair stop after 10 min´s and a further 90 sec. stop about an hour later. At one point we where 51 overall with about 40 seconds to the next car. After an Heroic drive by justin ( who had to cut his stint very short because his Computer decided to not wanna run rfactor properly anymore..) and Jean-pierre we managed to climb back up into contention for 4th. Sadly than with half an hour to go we had an collision with an driver who rejoined in maybe not the best way. Had to pull the plug which cost us another 5 laps and we ended our race in the end in 5th overall.

I mean, we understand that misstakes happen, and that after an sudden crash some might loose their head and then end up doing some rather stupid stuff in order to get back into the race as quick as possible. But if you then take out another driver with such an misstake, atleast be decent enough to apologize. Misstakes happen, apologize if you ended someones race with that and all is good. But not saying anything leaves a very bidder aftertaste.

About the gte which was offpace.. How about instead of complaining and mobbing you just teach them? Help them. They have the same hobby as we all and surely want to enjoy it, as we all want to. So let´s better help them sorting their problems out and getting them closer to the pace off the field. Give them usefull set ups ( i don´t want to step on any feet´s here, but i doubt that they will race for victory´s soon, so no need for not sharing there in my opinion) Give them hints. Maybe one could even try to meet up with them on the p1 teamspeak and coach them a bid.
Ofc they are an hindrance at the moment, but by pointing it out and talking bad about them the situation won´t improve.

About the gte vs Lmp argument.. It´s allways the same story. Some lmp´s are way too agressive - but so are some gt´s aswell. What´s the point in trying to outbrake an lmp1 if he is clearly communicating halfway down the straight that he will be there on the braking zone? What is the point of pushing an lmp out of track if he uses his downforce and goes around the outside of you? Yes, sometimes there happen stupid moves. The lmp1´s have gone through the gte field about 35 times (some where lapped more often than others, but overall 35 is a good middle ground). That´s over a thousand overtakes for each lmp1 against the gte´s. + another 120 overtakes against the lmp2´s. Who also did around 900 overtakes against the gte´s. Each. That a few out of 1100+ overtakes end up beeing a bid on the dirty side is to be expected.
If you don´t want to get killed by an lmp1, here are some basic tips: Stay predictable. Stay on your racing line - do not move out of the way( except you have car troubles) - the faster class has a better overview of the situation and can better judge if the overtake is on or not. If an lmp dives or "look´s" already halfway down the straight as if he will dive - just lift a few meters before the corner and don´t fight it. No need to battle that car, he will pass you anyway. If a sequence of corners comes up where you feel uncomfortable beeing overtaken - communicate it clearly to us lmp´s. Move over slightly, maybe half a car width to a car width in order to tell us " hey come on, stupid idea, let´s wait for the next straight" And then also in the corner´s - if an lmp has the pace to go around the outside, leave him the space. He knows that he is beeing risky and need´s to trust that the gt will leave him the space on the outside. It will only end in tear´s and unnecessery peneltys.
The same goes of course to the lmp drivers. Lern to Commicate with the gt´s. And respect them. Do not force your way into an corner where the gt has showed that he does not want to be overtaken. Gte´s are still very quick car´s. They are not THAT much slower at the apex of a medium to low speed corner. Chances are, that you might even end up loosing less time by following the gte, instead of a stupid lunch followed by an akward line through an corner and an horendous exit. Better to follow the gte, choose an alternative line and build for an strong exit. Communicate with the gte´s. Either by "looking" early, ore flashing your lights. Let them know that you will go for it. And if the gt say´s no by moving over, respect that decision. You will have to lap that car over and over and over. They can choose to make your life harder ore easyer. Be helpfull to them, and they will be more willing and helpfull to you.
Just allways understand that the other classes are also racing.

 

If you drive both classes in endurance, you get the hang of it. It will never change that GTs need to back out. And when you don't want to back out you might get killed. That is the position the GTs or more "the slower" class is in. But more you drive the more you know which people send it with no brain and you either brake 50m earlier or go of the line for them or you find pout which people you can trust who can brake where Protos should do it.

About the start: Just do single file and green flag when you cross the line and problem solved

 

For some reason i seem to be unable to join the server.

 

Sorry Benjamin, nothing personal, but your statement clearly shows that you simply don't know how to manage the given advantage I did mention (possibility to manage the speed as polesitter, without pitlimiter). I say so because it's quite some years for me nowdays that I see from first line drivers taking real starts, quite often from front row luckily. I don't want to convince you to change your mind but I gotta tell you that your belief is not that right.

 

What do you mean? Do you mean that I should acclerate to get more advantage out of the start? But that means it is against the rules. And in my opinion, thats the reason why you got a DT. you don´t understand to hold the speed at the same level and not do acclerrating or anything other. The next thing is you didn´t do double file at all you were one car length behind me and acclarte to close up to me with the mention to get a advantage out of the acclerating. If you do this on double file how it should be you will be ahead of me and of course it will be a DT. And I think thats the reason from the racesteawards for your DT but thats only my opinion.

PS: lets finish this discussion you got a DT from the Racesteawards and the Race is over lets move to Road America.

 

hello friends of p1:
I wanted to tell you and if nothing can be done... well, that's it, but we all know that the Ferrari is much better, but in addition to that it consumes much less fuel, being able to ride 29 laps on road America and even a few more on a "race lean" map while that the aston does not exceed 27 laps, in the same way the porsches will be etc... could we initially take the ferrari? Yes, of course, but then it would be a monobrand, could the organization do something about it? greetings to all and thanks

 

I don't like to have those kind of bop discussion to be honest. But i have to agree with Juan, Aston and Porsche drivers cannot reach the 29 laps mark which is basically the 1 hour mark while in the same time the ferrari can easily do 29 laps or even 30 laps with some basic lifting. In addition to that, the car is about 0.3s faster. If you guys need data on that you can just ask. It's a ferrari cup, we can all agree with that lets try to have some fun allowing atypical cars to compete

 

Guys, it´s the same for the BMW. Less Topspeed and out of order to do 29 or 30 Laps in a raw with 91 liters of fuel.

Taking as example the last VEC Race. There we have 97 a fuel ragne of 97 liters. That is OK. Also The BMW has 30KG less Weight, what helps us a bit.

ATM Ferrari is OP at it´s best and be sure it´s not the track. So i can completly agree with Juan and Kamal!

 

Of course Ferrari is OP. It has been since the update last Summer and everybody signed up their car here knowing there will be no BOP.

What's false is that the Ferrari can "easily" do 29 or even 30 laps. It can do 28 laps on race lean with some lift/coast. If you want to do 29 laps it takes some more trickery and you drop back in the 2:04's and you will lose the race even without a splash and dash.

 

Not sure if it is related to the practice session but i keep getting an orange track limit warning exiting the pitlane.
I heard from some teammates that you can get the same warning if you cross the white line while overtaking a slower class car into T1.

 

Hello guys, i just want to join in on the discussion...obviously the Ferrari is the best car at the moment, but i don't want to drive the fastest car, i want to drive the car/brand i like. Some of the teams are even bound to a certain car brand due to the sponsors and/or companies they are racing for. Furthermore who wants a Ferrari GTE Cup in a well-known race series like the P1LMS or the VEC? That should not be the ultimate goal.

We lost entire teams for this season because there is no BOP here and certain cars are just outright badly balanced...what brings me to the Porsche...certanly the best sounding GTE...decent one-lap pace...in my opinion the best looking GTE..aaaaand thats about it...

Highest fuel-consumption...by a lot, highest tire wear (due to driving style to have any sort of pace), 2nd lowest top-speed, absolutely no power in low revs compared to all the other cars, can't run race-lean because oldest engine-mapping is ridicoulus, only car that needs high revs...i could go on but...yeah...

What i would like to see is a little bit of insight to make some changes to the cars...maybe a fuel tank adjustment...maybe a little bit of weight added/taken of the cars...BOP is a working process...i just would like to see someone care about it and start making changes...hell the VEC does a great job on BOP, and they develop further an further...maybe ask Jimmi for an oppinion? Does not have to be the VEC BOP right away but we could definately lean on their findings and MAKE RACING BETTER...what should be the most important point here...

Anyway, love you guys...can't stop, won't stop racing here, but would like to see atleast a little bit of change of mind...

See you on track

 

I´m not a gt driver, but i can see the issues with the BOP, it´s allways a struggle. But to start the discussion about half a week before the race might be a bit late. But i think that atleast an easy fix as the same runtime should be done, for starters

 

The main idea for us in the SRP racing team was to put 3 GTE Ferraris knowing that it is the best car currently, but first, we did not want a mono-make cup because we saw many Ferraris and we also wanted to enjoy the sound of the Porsche and sensations of the Aston Martin, we decided to put 2 porsches and 1 aston martin and knowing that the porsche used fuel and the pit stop is longer, but of course, you get to road america and you see that the ferrari can do 3 more laps all of them, that added in 8 hours is 27 laps saved which is equivalent to 1 less stop in the box or 70 seconds saved at the end of the race, so you think that this is not so funny anymore, I would try to correct that of the Ferrari because the advantage is abysmal. thank you.

 

It's really not about this particular race...it will be really obvious in this race though...it is a general request to please, please think about BOP...in general...moving forward

 

The Problem with the Ferrari is known since P1 Le Mans last year xd